What Do You Do In There? - Argue, Mainly - "The Mark of the Rani"

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**The Doctors Beard Podcast - The Mark of the Rani**

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DR. WHO That\'s after part one of a new two-part adventure for Dr. Who.

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Oh, great! Some substitute for cute gardens. Try and look on the bright

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side.

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After all, isn\'t coal just fossilized plant life? What have you got

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there? Tracking device. Registers time distortion. Hoist up your skirts,

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Perry, off we go! Welcome back, my friends, to an all-new episode of the

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Doctor\'s Beard Podcast.

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I\'m your Keeper of the Matrix, Rassel John here, John S. Drew, and I\'m

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joined once again by our constant companion through time and space, the

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Brig of Beard himself, writer, editor, Mr. Jim Beard. Hey, Jim! Perry,

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what the hell is that you\'re wearing? Well, I\'m sorry. You know what?

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I had YouTube still on.

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I had found some outtakes, and sorry. Yikes! Yeah, yes. Wow, what a

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difference an episode makes in as far as hiding Nicola\'s assets.

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Yes. But not too well, because my wife was still pointing out how you

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could see everything. Okay.

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I thought it was kind of a change, you know. It was definitely a change.

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Well, what\'s funny about it is that it kind of makes her look dowdy,

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you know? So I don\'t know.

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One note to Perry, if I was able to say, Perry, pink pumps, maybe not

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the best choice here. Yeah. Nicola Bryan complained about that in the---

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Did she? Oh, yeah, in the Blu-ray.

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Okay. Yeah. So here we are again.

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Yes. Okay. Talking the Mark of the Rani, which now for you, Timey Wimey,

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you\'ve already met the Rani, but this is the Rani, the first Rani,

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played by Kate O\'Mara, who American audiences might remember that she

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appeared on the television show Dynasty, as they say in England.

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I never ever watched Dynasty, so I would have no idea. I might have

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watched a couple of episodes of Dallas, but not Dynasty. Was she a

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regular? She was for a while there.

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I think she was actually playing Joan Collins\' sister. I could be wrong

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about that. Okay.

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Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

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Okay. So now the question is, Jim, because there\'s two questions. I

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mean, there\'s the usual reaction to the story, but reaction to the

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Rani, because as I say, you\'ve met the Rani before.

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You\'ve seen future incarnations. Now here\'s the original template.

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What are your thoughts? It is really interesting.

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I\'m glad you brought that up, because it had occurred to me that I have

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already met the character and was somewhat familiar with her. At least I

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knew the basic setup, because we had talked when we watched her, the

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character in the shooty story. I asked my questions and all of that.

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I think I actually saw a clip of Kate, but with Sylvester McCoy, if I\'m

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not mistaken. So it was really, really interesting and cool to see her

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here. I\'ve said before, the show tends to give me what I want,

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sometimes when I want it, and sometimes when I don\'t know that I want

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But it\'s always welcome when it does. That\'s where we\'re at right

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here with this storyline. It\'s not perfect, because nothing is.

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I have some issues with it. I think the biggest part of it is our other

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villain. I hate to say it, but it surprised me in a negative way.

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We\'ll talk about that as we go along. Maybe this is a cool thing. I

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wish it was cooler as we went along.

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No idea the master was in this. And I kept it that way. I was figuring

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the Ronnie would be enough of a thing for you, and that would distract

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Then you\'d be either pleasantly surprised or whatever when it came to

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the master. What the hell is he doing in there? What? Yeah. Yeah.

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And I was excited at first, but it didn\'t work out the way I would have

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hoped it would have worked out. Mm-hmm. Otherwise, in general, I enjoyed

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this story.

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Okay, good. And Kate O\'Mara. And Kate O\'Mara, good.

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And yet in a different way than remind me of the actress\'s name in

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current days. Oh, are you talking about Mrs. Flood\'s character? No, no,

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no, no. The other one.

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Yeah, the other one. The real one. The real one.

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The article you might say. I\'m forgetting her name, the actress\'s

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name, but I know who you\'re talking about. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah, I can see. And it\'s funny, too, because I had to wonder

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back then if they applied the makeup a certain way so that she appeared

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somewhat Asian so that it would work with the Ronnie because that\'s,

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you know, an Asian concept and all.

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Yeah. But no, if you look at pictures of Kate O\'Mara in the 70s, she

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actually had worked with Colin Baker on an episode of The Brothers, the

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first TV show he regularly appeared in. She\'s always had her features

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That has always been her look. So it\'s not anything they did, the

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production. I\'m not completely, you know, I\'m not like a historian in

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terms of women\'s makeup trends or anything like that.

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But but there was there was kind of a move towards bronzing. Yes. At

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And it might have been the 80s. And I know I\'m going to get people who

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will tell me the real truth here, you know, but that\'s what I was kind

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of thinking that they, you know, or the or that Kate herself did, you

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know, she may very well have. Interestingly enough, the current actress

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kind of overplays the role.

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Kate is kind of underplaying it. She does here. Her next appearance,

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she\'s a bit more over the top.

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Okay. Okay. Well, I have an instant theory about that.

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And we\'ll get to that, too, when I go into more about the master. Okay.

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And I think I kind of get a glimpse here of what\'s going on. Okay. So

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want some some background? Yes.

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Okay. Not a whole lot. But this is the mark of the six acts.

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February 2 to the ninth 1985. Our writer Pippin Jane Baker, our

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director, Sarah Hellings. This is Pippin Jane Baker\'s first outing for

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They\'ll be back next season and Sylvester McCoy\'s first season with

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another Ronnie story. In fact, the director Sarah Hellings. This is the

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last female director for classic Doctor Who.

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Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

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Quite a, you know, quite a run, you know, here. Actually, you know, it

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was kind of a trend there in a way. Yeah.

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Yeah. Now we will still still see because obviously we have Pippin Jane

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Jane there. We will have more women writers, though, in classic who

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before this is over.

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Yeah. And to be and Pipp is a is male. Correct.

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Yeah. Yeah. husband and wife.

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I don\'t have a whole lot here. And it\'s it\'s more of some interesting

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trivia. The first one being kind of a heartbreaking one.

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One of the things I and I\'ve said this, this is one of my favorite

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episodes. But one thing that I love about it, the music stands out in

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this one compared to a lot of other productions. So interesting that you

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say that, because I\'ve said it many times before, I don\'t always

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notice music, it doesn\'t always hit me on a conscious level, you know,

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I noticed it and made a note about it.

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Yes, it did stand out to me in this story. Yeah. Now, at this point in

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the series, the music is being done by members of the radiophonic

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workshop, they\'re not hiring out the way they did for many, many years.

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But for some reason, this one, john Nathan Turner decided to hire out

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and he hired a man by the name of john lewis. john lewis only got about

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20 minutes into producing the music for episode one, when he passed away

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from complications with AIDS. Yeah.

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So sadly, they had to turn back to the radiophonics workshop. And

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that\'s when BBC staffer Jonathan Gibbs took over. He wasn\'t told

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anything.

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So he went and rescored the whole thing. He didn\'t even listen to john

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lewis\'s. Now, what\'s interesting is, they do include john lewis\'s

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track, if you want to hear it.

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As you watch the episode, it\'s not as good. Okay, it\'s not as good. I

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mean, I know this is going to sound horrible, but it gives Gibbs works

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better, much better.

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Okay. And it really does stand out among especially for 80s. Dr. Who, it

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really stands out.

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Well, let\'s maybe suggest that Lewis was not feeling correct. Well,

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able to give it. Absolutely.

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Absolutely. Yeah. A little unusual anecdote during the scene where the

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doctor makes his face dirty.

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Using some of the earth there. Colin Baker unknowingly spear smeared dog

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excrement on his face. Because as he said, they used BBC dirt.

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And this dog came along and said, Oh, this looks like nice dirt and did

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his business in the pile. Oh, it\'s, it\'s amazing that he couldn\'t

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smell it as his hand was getting close to his face, you know, did but

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the thing was, was that they were already shooting. And, and, and there

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was two incidents.

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Actually, this was one where he didn\'t stop the take, but he clearly

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could. He was like, I knew something was wrong. And as soon as they

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said, cut, you know, I was like, get it off, get it off.

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Trooper. Yeah. The show must go on.

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He did. He did the same thing also, because he wanted to do a lot of his

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own stunts. He didn\'t want to cause a fuss.

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But the scene where he\'s hanging from the chains over the, the well pit

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there. Yeah, yeah, he, he dislocated his pinky. And rather than saying

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anything, he dealt with it until he could get off the thing, and then

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sort of snapped it back into place.

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And he holds up his pinky in the in the blu ray set, and says it\'s

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still never really straight to this day. Wow. Yeah.

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What a, you know, what a thespian, you know, trooper there is. So So I

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guess we could say that that dog did him dirt. Yes.

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Yes, you could say that. You mentioned the appearance of the master and

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Anthony Ainley and Colin Baker and Nicola Brian both say on the the blu

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ray set that Ainley was not happy about sharing the limelight. He felt

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you bring me in I you know, but at the same time, it was a job and he

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was getting his paid his regular rate.

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So he was like, Alright, but he kind of was dragging his feet on some

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things. And, you know, letting people know this was not really cool. So

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that is, that\'s, I\'m glad you told me that.

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And again, that figures into my opinion here. What does that remind you

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of in our world? Janice drew in a favorite show of ours. Um, oh, he

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talked about Batman.

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Yes, sir. Yeah. Michael Rennie.

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Yes, Sandman. And it was then decided that they needed to shoehorn

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Catwoman into that episode. So he suddenly had to share the the

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limelight as it were with the with another villain.

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Yes. Yeah. Very interesting.

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Yeah, it is. It is. Hold on to that Batman 66 thought, buddy.

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Okay, I got more for you. Okay. A little bit of continuity thing here

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going on.

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This story was actually produced after the upcoming The Two Doctors. And

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it was meant to air after it. But at the time of production, they

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realized, wait a minute.

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Mark of the Ronnie has a historical figure in George Stevenson. And Time

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Lash, which follows after it has another historical figure, which I will

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not reveal here. We don\'t want two stories where historical figures are

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meeting doctors.

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So we\'re going to switch things up and put the two doctors in between

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them. Okay. Yeah, but it didn\'t hurt anything continuity wise.

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Rarely. continuity between stories. Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay. No, no, you notice at this point to we\'re back to, you

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know, hey, each story is self contained.

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We\'re not having setting up anything for the next one. We don\'t have a

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recurring villain or anything like that. It\'s just and then next

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season, everything changes.

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Well, yes, next season, it\'s it\'s going to be you know, the whole

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trial is the thread. So yeah, no, no shifting around of stories.

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They\'re probably right.

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Yep. Um, ratings wise, Episode One was 6.3. Episode Two was 7.3. Hmm.

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Yeah, I\'m gonna say it right now.

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Because you\'re talking you\'re talking you just said parts one parts

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two. So so I\'m thinking about I\'m saying it. While watching this, I

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finally, finally decided fully.

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I don\'t care for this setup. I don\'t care for the two parts at 45

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minutes each. Okay.

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It I think they\'re too long. And here\'s where I\'m going with this. I

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think the show works best with less is more.

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It kind of plays into what we have said now for the last three years

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about like, it three parts is better than six parts, you know, or an

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eight, you know, six is better than eight and 12. And they learn these

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things as they went along. But I really do think that the 45 minute

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episodes kind of wear out their welcome.

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I have realized that that the tighter and the, you know, the pulpier to

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hit in my world, they are the better. I\'m kind of getting to the point

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where I\'m going, where\'s the cliffhanger? Where\'s the good finger? Is

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it coming along? Looking at the clock? I still have a while before you

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know what I mean? It\'s like, I don\'t think that it\'s necessarily

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working, you know, and I\'ll be really glad when when we next season, I

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already kind of looked ahead as far as how the breakup is. And I see we

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go pretty much back to the four parts.

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Right? Yeah, good. Yeah, no, and after that, it\'s it\'s four and three

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and two parts after this. Yeah, it would have to be something really

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super damn exciting.

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appreciated as Sayward says the opportunity to to world build without

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punctuations of okay, no cliffhanger, whatever you want to call it.

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Okay. That\'s fine. Part one, the doctor and Carrie arrived in the early

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19th century mining village of Killingsworth to investigate a time

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machinery he was carrying appearing as Luddites to the locals. The

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doctor notices one rampaging miner has a strange red mark on his neck.

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passive men. The culprit is the Ronnie, a time Lord chemist posing as

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the old woman running the local bathhouse. She\'s been extracting

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neurochemicals from the miners that enable sleep, which causes the red

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She needs these chemicals for her planet. miasma goria. I hope I\'m

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saying that one right.

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They said it several times where her experiments have left the

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inhabitants unable to rest and have now rebelled. The master arrives

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having visited her planet and forces on an easy partnership by stealing

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some of her precious brain fluid to ensure her cooperation. The doctor

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time Lord. He convinces the Luddites to push the doctor\'s Tardis down a

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mine shaft with the doctor to follow as we come to the end of part one.

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I want to try something different here.

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Okay, okay, bear with me. I\'m gonna lightning round of comments. All

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All right. You\'re ready. Let\'s see this.

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All right. Almost artistic opening shots plus nice music. Very nice.

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She wearing the doctor says the Daleks have time machines. Master. Lots

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of handheld camera work.

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Perry\'s more capable. The master changed time by eliminating a man

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vulgar vulgarly colored coat. The master and Ronnie have history.

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Ronnie\'s jabs at the master smiley face. Doctor\'s imitations of Perry

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smiley face. No birds.

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Doctor recognizes the Ronnie but she didn\'t recognize him. American War

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of Independence. The Ronnie\'s a vegan brains as good as anyone\'s.

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No comment doctor. Shades of Bruce Wayne. Where do you want to start?

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That sounds like something out of Batman.

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Okay, well, you want that where you that\'s where you want to start?

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Well, it sounds like because I keep every time you said a thing I needed

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it to be punctuated by a still shot and the sound of the. Okay, listen,

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come on. I mean, that\'s a lot to absorb on a table flying down, you

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know, a slope.

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Yes. That doesn\'t remind you of Bruce Wayne. Oh, yes.

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Of an ambulance. Yes. And going down a slope towards the cliff edge.

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Although although I don\'t know, maybe it was because they shot it a

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little differently, so you didn\'t have to worry about it with Collins.

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the box is a stunt man who has little pulleys and he\'s just looking

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through a slit and Collins like I\'m strapped to this thing and I\'m

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trusting this guy to steer it so that we don\'t go crashing into

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That\'s that\'s pretty funny. But yeah, I saw that and that\'s all I

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could say was shades of Bruce Wayne. Oh, my goodness.

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That is the first King Tut episode. Yes. Yes.

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Okay. Yep. Yep.

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Or they think they think he\'s insane. Right. Right.

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So here let\'s go right back to the beginning that opening series of

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shots to set up the village, beautiful men, the music lining and then

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into the bathhouse. I almost artistic it it was it was filmed so nicely

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and without anything weird going on and you know, and then they go into

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the bathhouse and you know, it gets weird at that point. But and but but

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accompanied by very nice music.

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Beautiful work so well I was never so taken by opening shots. You know,

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like I said, they were almost poetic in a way. And she and she did all

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That was a small area and she made it look so much bigger. Okay. Yeah.

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Why would Perry be wearing what she was wearing, not knowing where they

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were going? But she knew where they were going. She didn\'t realize they

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were going there because she steps out of the TARDIS. And she says, I

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think she said that I might be mixing it up because I think she mixed it

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up in the in the nickel mixed it up in the behind the sofa.

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But I think she said the Crystal Pavilion because there\'s actually

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scenes that were shot. They weren\'t included, including them in the

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TARDIS where she\'s asking him, what do you think of my outfit for the

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Crystal Pavilion opening? And he looks at her and goes, yuck. Okay.

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Yeah, it was yuck. It was. Yeah, yeah.

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And then and then on top of that, we\'re rather on the bottom of that

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those. I didn\'t feel I didn\'t feel one bit bad for her when she

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immediately steps in mud or dog dirt for that. I did really appreciate

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that the that the that the doctor said when they\'re talking about,

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well, who would have a time machine? He actually brings up the Daleks.

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That was a nice little bit of, you know, kind of like continuity in a

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way, reminding us that like it could be the Daleks, right? Yeah. I

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didn\'t say this one because it was so so minor. They see that scarecrow

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and then there\'s a shot of POV that looks like it\'s from like somebody

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either in the scarecrow or standing behind the scarecrow looking at

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And they wrote Dr. Sin. You know what that is? No. Okay.

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So there was a novel from very early 20th century of that late 19th

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century called Dr. Sin, S-Y-N. And it\'s the story of a former pirate

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who kind of almost becomes a superhero. They\'re smuggling stuff, but

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it\'s against the king at that time in England.

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And then Disney made a production of it called The Scarecrow of Romney

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Marsh with Patrick McGowan. And the whole thing is, is that the the lead

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guy, Dr. Sin, who\'s posing as like a preacher in the village is is also

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the scarecrow. And that\'s like his his almost like like a superhero

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identity.

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He\'s like a very early superhero kind of thing. Again, I I was I was

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almost bowled over by when suddenly there\'s Anthony Ainley and I\'m

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going, oh, this is a Lanny story or am I getting this wrong? You know,

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lots of handheld camera work. Yes.

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That was the whole thing. First time they ever used handheld cameras.

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Perry is there\'s actually an effort in here to make her more capable.

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We even get a little botany thing in there, but I think that\'s part

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two, if I\'m not mistaken. Right.

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He just I don\'t know. She\'s she\'s still like whining and complaining,

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you know, but but in some ways I thought that there was actually a push.

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And I wonder if that if that took a female writer to to to work that in.

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What do you think about that? Very possible. Okay. Very possible.

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I know he\'s the master and he can do whatever he wants. But I it did

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occur to me that he changed time by the the people that met that man

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that he does. He hits with the tissue eliminator.

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Like, yes, that guy is no longer there to do the things that he would

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have done and, you know, or have children, you know, like, well, how

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much did the master change time by just killing that one dude? You know,

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sadly, I never thought about the tissue compression eliminator until I

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just called it the tissue. Yeah, I didn\'t think about this until I was

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watching the and there\'s Colin and Nicola on the behind the sofa

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talking about how phallic it is. And I said, I didn\'t really want to

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think of it like that.

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I did. It really did. But my mind\'s more in the gutter than yours is so

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but it is it\'s it\'s terribly and then you give it to Anthony Ainley.

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So it\'s even worse. I know, right? Last guy you\'d want pointing

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something like that. But I love them.

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It\'s okay. So let\'s talk about the Ronnie and the master and the

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doctor. It\'s immediately put forth.

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First, the master and Ronnie have history. Take, you know, shared

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history in terms of not necessarily even like knowing each other. But

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there are actual, let\'s call it adventures, although with villains, you

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don\'t necessarily, you know, what? Capers, whatever, right, that

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they\'re that they were both on.

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I think it\'s really it was an interesting way to to do it. Then we

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bring the doctor in. He recognizes her immediately.

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She, of course, doesn\'t recognize him immediately because he\'s

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regenerated. Yeah. What are we supposed to believe? Like, like, do we

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have any idea when she would have last seen that? What doctor was he?

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You know, I mean, I\'m assuming that there\'s untold stories there that,

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you know, I don\'t know.

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Big finish might have told or the. I think there was some Ronnie stories

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with Kate Amara before she passed. I think Jameson could definitely

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clear that up for us.

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Okay. I just I mean, I like stuff like that. It doesn\'t always have to

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I do like when when you have an ongoing character in fiction and they

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drop references to things that have happened in the past and we don\'t

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always know it. I was just watching a video on YouTube from a guy who

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does Star Wars videos, and it was everything I love about. And he\'s

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been doing one for all these different Star Wars projects.

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brought up a really good point about how cool and fun and interesting it

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was before things were expanded upon back in 1977 to 78 to 79, when we

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had no idea what the hell the Clone Wars were. Right.

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And other things, you know what I mean? It\'s like, it was like it was

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then it was like, oh, that\'s cool. And you kind of fill in the blank by

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yourself. The Hellboy comics when they first started, it was the thing

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that I really loved about it is Hellboy would go, you know, gee, I

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haven\'t seen I haven\'t seen a zombie like that since, you know,

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Belfast 1961.

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You know, and you go, Oh, well, what was that all about? But you\'re you

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know what, things just move along. So I\'m thinking that, you know, that

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it\'s like this, you know, master kind of making references to stuff,

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you know, and like, you know, like that would have worked if you hadn\'t

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stopped me. Yeah, that you know, that kind of thing.

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And I really did. I really did like that. And I did like how the Ronnie

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had to get up to speed with this is the way the doctor looks now.

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But there is an interesting reference. He, he may I think it\'s from the

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him. The doctor says something.

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One of them says something that makes you believe that the Ronnie

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doesn\'t regenerate, or she\'s figured out a way around it. What it

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helped me out because I know I\'m remembering it. Not quite right.

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Raymond, say that part again. I\'m sorry, because yeah, you lost me

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there with the end. Okay.

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The doctor or the Ronnie says something to the effect of that she does

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not regenerate. Oh, okay. I have that note as well.

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The way around regeneration. What\'s the deal on that? What she said

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was, and this was I made a note of this too. She goes, she says she can

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change the way she looks.

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But the doctor is stuck the way he is. What does that mean? Okay. So she

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does regenerate, but when she does, she\'s like Romana.

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I guess maybe it\'s a woman thing, but that doesn\'t make sense either.

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Oh, I just pumped those breaks. Yes.

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Thank you for saying that. Cause that\'s what I would have said. Wait a

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This is really, really kind of fascinating. Kind of cool. Have they ever

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done anything with this? Is it a time lady thing? Yeah.

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Which would be fascinating for that species to have something like that

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and why not? Yeah. Right. I mean, humans are like that, right? There\'s

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things that they can do that we can and vice versa.

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Right. Right. So, okay.

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But you, but you don\'t, I mean, there\'s nothing formal about that. No.

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Okay.

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No. And nothing\'s been said later on about the Ronnie concerning that.

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Not in the second appearance she makes.

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No. Okay. And to date, only two actresses have ever played the Ronnie on

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Well, three, if you count Mrs. Flood, she\'s, she\'s, I mean, okay. I,

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I, yeah, I don\'t, I mean, okay. I, and I\'m not trying to put down Mrs.

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Flood, but you know what I mean? It\'s like, she was a Ronnie and the

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Ronnie was the Ronnie, the definite article you might say.

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Yeah. Except for one thing, the Ronnie is gone and all we\'re left with

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is a Ronnie. And then you\'ve got to wonder with the way he set that up,

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Russell, does that mean? Cause she\'s already by generated.

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Does that mean she\'s, she\'s done regenerating? So this is it for her.

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Think about it. Okay.

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Cause I\'m assuming that\'s the same thing when the David tenant one

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dies, he dies. Okay. Yeah.

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Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

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Cause the, the regeneration energy was, was used to, to buy generate. So

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that\'s my take. Yeah.

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As we used to say many years ago, um, I did really think that was really

445
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,000
funny. The Ronnie\'s jabs at the master. Um, the writing is very good,

446
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,000
especially in part one.

447
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Yes. Dialogue is a specially good and hear and recognize that. And I

448
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,000
give credit to PIP and what is it? PIP and Jane, Jane, PIP and Jane, the

449
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,000
bakers as, as Colin, as Colin put it, he said, they gave me the best

450
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,000
words when I was the doctor.

451
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Um, and then of course, and then the doctor\'s imitating Perry, you

452
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,000
know, which is really funny. The thing about no birds is hilarious

453
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,000
because we hear birds right in the beginning. And then the doctor and

454
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,000
Perry get there and he goes, do you realize there are no sounds of

455
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,000
birds? And then a little bit later, you can still hear the birds in the

456
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,000
background.

457
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,000
It\'s, you know, or what? Yeah. I\'m assuming it\'s crows or rooks or

458
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,000
something. So, but wait a minute.

459
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,000
They, but they never did explain that about what, let\'s say there

460
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,000
really wasn\'t any birds around. They never explained why wouldn\'t

461
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,000
there be birds? No. Lerone was very dramatic.

462
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,000
Yeah. You know, or animals for that matter. So, so I don\'t know if that

463
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,000
was just something in the script that got cut and they, that like scene

464
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,000
stayed, you know, I don\'t know.

465
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,000
Um, I always get a kick out of when, when the revolutionary war is, is

466
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,000
referred to as the American war. Yeah. It\'s always so interesting to

467
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,000
get another point of view on that.

468
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Uh, I wish I could remember exactly what Lerone said that made me think

469
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,000
that she was a vegan. It was something. Oh, the lamb chop.

470
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,000
No, that\'s it. She makes the comment because he\'s like, they\'re human

471
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,000
beings. And she goes, do they think of that when they\'re, when they\'re

472
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,000
biting into a lamb chop? Yeah, right.

473
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,000
That\'s, that\'s right. That\'s a good one. Um, believe me.

474
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,000
And I think I\'ve got another contender for funniest moment to think

475
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,000
about. Um, my brain\'s as good as anyone\'s yes. No comment, doctor.

476
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Love it. That\'s what I got. That\'s what you got.

477
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,000
Well, that\'s all that I got. You know what? I, I, for the most part,

478
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,000
really enjoyed part one when I was engaged and I was looking forward to

479
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,000
part two. Um, so, you know, thumbs up for, for part one.

480
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Okay. Um, just a couple of quick things here. Malfunctioning

481
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,000
malfunctioning, malfunctioning three times, three times.

482
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,000
Yep. Three\'s the charm. Three\'s the charm.

483
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,000
Uh, the, the, um, I said this is set in the village of killingsworth,

484
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,000
but, uh, they use the area of Shropshire and the iron bridge gorge

485
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,000
museum primarily as their, as their location stuff. Correct me if I\'m

486
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,000
wrong in the story. This is supposed to be Scotland, right? I believe

487
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,000
so.

488
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,000
Because there\'s a lot of characters with Scottish accent, I believe.

489
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Yeah. Unless it\'s right on the border of England and Scotland.

490
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Isn\'t Stevenson Scottish. That sounds like a steep, like a Scottish

491
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,000
name. Yeah.

492
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,000
Yeah. I just, it\'s funny cause they don\'t come right out and, and say

493
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,000
it, but there\'s so many characters that, that sometimes like thick

494
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,000
enough where I had to really pay attention. Yeah.

495
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,000
When the young guy, um, the son of the one guy, the one who, who, who

496
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,000
changes his appearance when he talks barely understand. I know, I know.

497
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,000
But you know what? He was laying it on thick cause he don\'t talk like

498
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,000
that.

499
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,000
They he\'s featured in, in, in some of the stuff. That\'s what I was

500
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,000
about to say. I\'m like, why is he doing, doing a Scottish accent and

501
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:45,000
really like ramping it up? Because like not, not everybody\'s doing a

502
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,000
Scottish accent.

503
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,000
I don\'t know. I just thought it was, I just thought it was funny. Yeah.

504
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Oh yeah, definitely. Um, a couple of other things. Uh, I love how Lord

505
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Ravensworth figures out the doctor might be a gentleman cause he looks

506
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,000
at his hands and goes, well, never worked a day in your life.

507
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,000
There\'s a lot of very good humor. Yes. You know, it\'s not a comedy

508
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,000
episode, but there\'s some very sharp humorous lines of dialogue here.

509
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Absolutely. And, and then just one other, no, actually I already spoke

510
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,000
about that. I said, I was talking about the, the Ronnie and changing the

511
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,000
way she looks.

512
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:40,000
I did that note. So we\'re good. Okay.

513
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,000
Well, well, I\'m glad to hear it. One quick note here. It was really

514
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,000
interesting to, that this was about the Luddites first.

515
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,000
I thought when they first said that the word, I thought it was like the

516
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,000
way we say, we say it, although it\'s really slipping away now, that way

517
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,000
we say it, you know, saying, well, you know, I\'m a real Luddite. And in

518
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,000
fact, I use it kind of a lot to tell people I\'m low tech, you know? But

519
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,000
here it turns out, no, these are, this is the Luddites. This is the

520
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,000
problem going on at this time in history where they don\'t want

521
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,000
technology to advance because these guys are worried about losing their

522
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,000
jobs.

523
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,000
And so the Ronnie picked this because she could get away with the men

524
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,000
that she\'s stealing the stuff from if they acted crazy and attack

525
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,000
people. Well, so what this is going on anyways. Right.

526
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,000
So that was really interesting. I really do like her plot though, to

527
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,000
steal the chemicals that in our brains that allow us to sleep. Yes.

528
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,000
You know, that was very, very interesting. And so that she could go back

529
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,000
to the planet that she rules or whatever and take care of a problem

530
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,000
there. Oh, you\'re going to ask me to probably say something or point to

531
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,000
something specific, but I can\'t, I don\'t, there\'s a feeling maybe

532
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,000
like in the first half of part one or so, there\'s a, there\'s some

533
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Hartnell in this.

534
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,000
Does, do you feel like I\'m way off base or? No, not at all. I, but

535
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,000
I\'ve said there that he, he, out of all the doctors, he channels

536
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Hartnell the most. I think so.

537
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,000
It\'s, I could almost picture the first doctor in these situations.

538
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,000
Sure. The, sort of the like outrage in a way, like, or the indignity

539
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,000
that he has to suffer through, you know? Right.

540
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,000
I could see Hartnell in there and yes, and I agree you have said that,

541
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,000
but for some reason it really came up and presented itself to me this

542
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,000
time around. Just wanted to say that, that it\'s, it\'s nice to have

543
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,000
that feeling. BBC two\'s Saturday cinema now is a Western stagecoach

544
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,000
starring Anne Margaret, Red Buttons and Bing Crosby.

545
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,000
After part two of the Mark of the Rani with Doctor Who. Why the devil

546
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,000
did you bring us to this miserable dump? I didn\'t bring you, you chose

547
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,000
to come. Why here? Because this was my base.

548
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Did we have to walk? My TARDIS is performing a more important function.

549
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Is it too much to inquire what that function might be? Yes. Part two.

550
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,000
The doctor is saved by inventor George Stevenson and returns with Perry

551
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,000
to Lord Ravensworth estate where Stevenson has planned a meeting of

552
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,000
scientific and engineering geniuses. The doctor worries about the

553
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,000
gathering under current circumstances, but the master is desperate for

554
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,000
it to proceed. He wants to enlist the finest minds of the industrial

555
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,000
revolution to accelerate earth\'s development and use the planet as a

556
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,000
power base.

557
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,000
The master uses mind control on Stevenson\'s assistant, Luke Ward,

558
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,000
ordering him to kill anyone who tries to prevent the meeting. The master

559
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,000
strikes a deal with the Rani. She can return to earth at any time to

560
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,000
harvest brain fluid if she helps him achieve his goal.

561
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,000
The doctor sneaks into the Rani\'s TARDIS at the bathhouse, discovering

562
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,000
jars of preserved dinosaur embryos. The Rani summons her ship to the old

563
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,000
mine workings with the doctor still hiding inside, and he overhears

564
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,000
their plans. Perry uses her botanical knowledge to make a sleeping draft

565
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,000
for the afflicted miners, searching for herbs amid the Rani\'s

566
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,000
landmines.

567
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,000
The doctor confronts the master and the Rani at the edge of the dell and

568
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,000
witnesses Luke step on a mine that transforms him into a tree. Using the

569
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,000
master\'s own tissue compression eliminator, the doctor takes them

570
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,000
prisoner, but the Rani tricks Perry and the two escape. However, the

571
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,000
doctor has sabotaged the Rani\'s TARDIS navigational system.

572
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,000
The ship spins out of control, and in the destabilized conditions, a jar

573
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,000
holding a tyrannosaurus rex embryo falls and breaks, causing the

574
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,000
creature to grow due to time spillage. The doctor and Perry swap the

575
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,000
vial of brain fluid with Ravensworth, who will administer it to the

576
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,000
afflicted miners. They depart in the TARDIS before the astonished eyes

577
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,000
of the scientist and his financier as we come to the end of The Mark of

578
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,000
the Rani.

579
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,000
What is it about this show and landmines? Yeah. Yeah. Paula, I\'m not

580
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,000
sure I\'m getting it.

581
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Is it a British thing? Maybe. It might be. I mean, I\'m thinking of two

582
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:30,000
episodes right off the bat with John Pertwee and Tom Baker where we were

583
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,000
dealing with landmines.

584
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,000
Right. And then Schutte. Yeah.

585
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,000
Oh, that\'s true. I forgot about Schutte. Yeah.

586
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,000
Right. I mean, that\'s where I\'m going. But yeah.

587
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,000
My first note says shades of some days you can\'t get rid of a bomb.

588
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,000
Bear with me on this one. You might not see it.

589
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:05,000
I almost said the Perry. We\'ve got the Rani and the Perry. Perry

590
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,000
believes the doctor is dead.

591
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,000
Right. Right. And she runs to the water\'s edge and there\'s the barrels

592
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,000
floating there.

593
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,000
But he pops up from one side of the frame to show that he\'s alive. Are

594
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,000
you seeing where I\'m going with this? I\'m seeing this. I\'m seeing it.

595
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Okay. No, I don\'t believe that any of this or the doctor on the table

596
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,000
rolling down the hill thing. I don\'t believe any of that is on purpose,

597
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,000
but it is pretty damn funny that there\'s two things that reminded me of

598
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Batman 66.

599
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Well, don\'t don\'t entirely discount that possible. Oh, because Batman

600
00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:00,000
in the 1980s was still going strong as a very popular show on TV and

601
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,000
repeats more so than in America. I\'ve said it before.

602
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,000
The Brits are really good caretakers of our IPs. I think they treat six

603
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,000
million dollar man, bionic woman, Batman, a lot better than we did here

604
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,000
because we just move on to the next shiny thing here in America. Well, I

605
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,000
just wrote an article about that.

606
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,000
The British had actual original novels based on Batman 66. And we never

607
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,000
had anything like that here. They had those annuals or fiction and

608
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:40,000
everything.

609
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:45,000
So I, I\'m, I\'m seeing what you\'re saying, man. Yeah. Let\'s talk

610
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,000
about the Ronnie\'s planet.

611
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:55,000
Okay. Is does that continue? Is that today part of the Ronnie story? No,

612
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:00,000
when she returns, she\'s dealing with a new planet. I don\'t think she

613
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:05,000
necessarily rules it, but she works with the inhabitants of it to

614
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:10,000
subjugate another species.

615
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Okay. It\'s interesting that they bother to give it a name and kind of

616
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,000
an elaborate name that you couldn\'t even pronounce. But then that\'s

617
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,000
not like become that doesn\'t come become part of the character.

618
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,000
No, no. Like I say, because she\'s only got one more in classic. And

619
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,000
then the next time we see her is with shooting and it\'s never brought

620
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:40,000
up there.

621
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Yeah. Um, John, why did the hell would the TARDIS key work on the

622
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,000
writings? That much I had a problem with. Yes.

623
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,000
How are we? Cause we did that dance with, with Pertwee and Delgado where

624
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,000
he was trying to get Delgado\'s key. Yeah. No, it makes zero.

625
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,000
It makes less than zero sense. Yeah. It\'s just a contrivance to move

626
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,000
the plot along.

627
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,000
Which is, which is sad because they established that the doctor is a

628
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,000
good pickpocket because he removes the file from the master\'s vest when

629
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:25,000
he bumps into him. He could have bumped into the Ron. Yeah.

630
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,000
You know, they should have had, they should have had Perry comment upon

631
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,000
it. And I would have felt a little bit better about it. Like, doctor,

632
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:40,000
why would your key work on her TARDIS? You know, and then you, and then

633
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,000
you could move on and that\'s kind of, you know, at least have somebody

634
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,000
comment about it.

635
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,000
They do that today in, and I brought this up before in Marvel, the

636
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,000
Marvel movies. And now in DC movies too, you have a superhero movie, you

637
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,000
have a superhero name, a code name that has been there for like 80

638
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,000
freaking years. Right.

639
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,000
Right. But they know today\'s audiences would find it silly, but how you

640
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,000
get around it so that the fan base doesn\'t get mad by eliminating the

641
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,000
name, you say it, you have at least one character, make a joke about it.

642
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:30,000
And then you\'ll move along.

643
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,000
They could have done that same thing. They had to have, somebody had to

644
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,000
have thought that that was ridiculous back then, you know, but Perry, it

645
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,000
would have been, you know, and the doctor could have said something, you

646
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,000
know, like, I\'ll explain later and not explain later, or he does. And

647
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,000
we never hear the explanation, you know, listen, I loved the Ronnie\'s

648
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,000
TARDIS set.

649
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,000
Oh my God. Oh my God. What in the world? Like we have never gotten

650
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:10,000
anyone else\'s, any other Gallifreyan slash Time Lords TARDIS in this

651
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,000
entire show that they went to that much trouble to make a completely new

652
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,000
set, including a console that mark my words, I love better than the

653
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:25,000
doctors.

654
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,000
I got to admit, I feel the same way too. It\'s it, it was a really nice

655
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,000
set. Do you know if that, does that console come back at any point? It

656
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,000
was saved to be used for future use.

657
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,000
It does not, unfortunately come back. That makes no sense. I know.

658
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,000
And I even appreciated that the outside of it has gives you the feeling

659
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,000
of the, the police box. Yes, it does. But yet it\'s not, it\'s not

660
00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,000
anything necessarily.

661
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,000
It might be something from that planet that she rules a piece of

662
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:10,000
furniture or something. Somebody shed, you know, potting shed, you know,

663
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,000
I don\'t know, but what nice touches when, when I, and I always say this

664
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,000
for things that they don\'t necessarily have to do. And that set is huge

665
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,000
too.

666
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:30,000
And the color scheme or whatever. I mean, I wanted the master to walk in

667
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:35,000
and go, damn, I don\'t have this nice of a TARDIS, right? Cause he gets

668
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:40,000
a redress of the doctors. That\'s all he gets is a redress.

669
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,000
He\'s the freaking master, you know? I wish the character of the Ronnie

670
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,000
was honored more, just more than that though. And I\'ll still get to

671
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,000
that. Okay.

672
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:00,000
The thing about that, she has solved the problem of being able to remote

673
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,000
control a TARDIS. Does that come into play going forward? Yes. Okay.

674
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:10,000
Yes. Okay. So there is another time Lord in classic who coming up who

675
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:15,000
also has the ability to do that.

676
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Okay. That\'s then that\'s cool. Yeah.

677
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:25,000
Bear with me on this next one. There\'s a really funky, funny little

678
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,000
strange, odd, maybe even like disturbing moment where there\'s the hint

679
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,000
of the possibility of the master trying to seduce the Ronnie or use his

680
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:40,000
animal magnetism, whatever you want to call it. Do you know what I\'m

681
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:45,000
talking about? There\'s a moment there.

682
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:50,000
Yeah, I know. It doesn\'t play it very well. Because you know what? It

683
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,000
is absolutely something that this show could not have had several years

684
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,000
ago in the show.

685
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,000
Right. Even now in 1980, what is this for? 85. 85.

686
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:10,000
Even in 1985. I mean, I was still looking at it and I went, oh, that was

687
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,000
kind of cheeky. Yeah.

688
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,000
That was a little daring in an almost way. It goes by quickly, but it is

689
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:25,000
interesting. And what is it? Is it him that kind of remarks about it or

690
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,000
is it her? Is it him that kind of like thinks of it and then dismisses

691
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,000
it? I think it\'s him.

692
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,000
It\'s him. I think it like the idea occurs to him and then he\'s like,

693
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,000
oh, like, no, you know, but I don\'t know. I just it was really

694
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:50,000
interesting.

695
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,000
And it\'s something that I could see being played out in a novel or, you

696
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,000
know, something else down the line, especially since we\'ve seen the

697
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,000
novels can be can do things that the show never could, you know. This

698
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,000
is. Stupid Perry complaining about skirts, but it was her choice to wear

699
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,000
them.

700
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,000
She has moments where she like with the botany, where it\'s like, cool,

701
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,000
you know, you\'re showing some agency and then like you pointed out,

702
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:30,000
whining about the skirt, whining about let\'s find the TARDIS and get

703
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,000
out of here. It\'s like, do you not understand what\'s good? I mean,

704
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,000
you\'ve traveled with this man long enough now. Yeah.

705
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,000
This has to be corrected. Yeah. Yeah.

706
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:50,000
I found her to be inconsistently, you know, done as a character. Yeah,

707
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:55,000
which is kind of a hallmark of this show, you know, overall, you know,

708
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,000
Sarah Jane, right? A roller coaster known as Sarah Jane\'s personality.

709
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,000
Yeah.

710
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:10,000
Up and down, back and forth. You know, she\'s either a women\'s liver or

711
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,000
she\'s not right. She\'s either damsel in distress or she\'s not right.

712
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:20,000
You know, it always went, it always went back and forth. This is

713
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,000
interesting that it goes back and forth with Perry in the very same

714
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,000
story. Well, that\'s the thing.

715
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,000
It\'s not even like it\'s she\'s jumping from stories. It\'s like one

716
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:40,000
minute I am useful and I am strong and the next minute I\'m whining.

717
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:45,000
Yeah.

718
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:50,000
Let me advance this theory when she\'s whining and incapable. It\'s PIP

719
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,000
writing. Yeah.

720
00:59:55,000 --> 01:00:00,000
And it\'s Jane writing when she\'s more capable and can cite, you know,

721
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,000
different plants and what they do and stuff like that. Very possible.

722
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,000
Yeah.

723
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:15,000
We learned that there are cats and mice on Gallifrey. Who knew? Who

724
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:20,000
knew? Right? Yeah. Oh, my God.

725
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,000
When they\'re carrying the doctor on the pole, there\'s no like, you

726
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,000
know, trickery or anything there that could not have been comfortable

727
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,000
for Colin. No remark about that in the just another one of those things

728
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,000
that he wanted to do. I mean, they could have just as easily and sort of

729
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:45,000
like hit away, you know, his face in a way by having someone standing in

730
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:50,000
front.

731
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:55,000
But he wanted to be carried with it. And then and then the whole thing

732
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,000
of like, you know, it\'s slowly dropping as he\'s trying to wriggle out

733
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,000
of it. And so, you know, when they\'re fully carrying him, that that is

734
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:10,000
that is that cannot be good on your wrists and your ankles.

735
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:15,000
Because your entire that\'s your entire body weight pulling on your your

736
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,000
ankles and your wrists. Yeah. Whoosh.

737
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:25,000
And he\'s not just like an inch off the ground either. You know, and

738
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,000
that those scenes kind of go on for a while, too. I give him a lot of

739
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,000
credit for for for doing it.

740
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:40,000
I mean, he seems to really be invested in this role in this part. Yes.

741
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,000
He\'s definitely one of those people who very quickly, you know, over

742
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:50,000
time, Tom came to love and protect and cherish the role.

743
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:55,000
And so did Pertwee and all. But he really steps right into it. And right

744
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,000
off the bat, you\'re like, all right, you may not like whether you like

745
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,000
it or not.

746
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:10,000
I am the doctor and I\'m going to you know, that\'s how I\'m portraying

747
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:15,000
it. Yeah. And it\'s not just like empty words.

748
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:20,000
He\'s trying to prove it, you know, to everybody, you know, including

749
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,000
the production crew. The T-Rex thing, I loved it. And again, what an

750
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:30,000
elaborate thing.

751
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,000
Does it really? Should it really have been in this story? But but I do

752
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:40,000
love things that are just wild and crazy and wacky and sort of just come

753
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:45,000
out of nowhere. It reminds me of the scene in Buckaroo Banzai when

754
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:50,000
they\'re running through Banzai\'s, you know, headquarters and then come

755
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:55,000
to a room where there\'s a table with a watermelon sitting on top of it

756
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:00,000
and these wires connected to it. The one character starts to like go,

757
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:05,000
what? And the other one goes, I\'ll explain later.

758
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:10,000
And then they just move on. You know, it\'s like now, of course, the

759
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,000
T-Rexes do play a little, you know, part at the end or whatever. But

760
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:20,000
what I\'m getting at is like, what a funky thing that they actually made

761
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:25,000
those and stuck them in those jars.

762
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,000
And it\'s not just one. They made how many of them? I mean, once you

763
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:35,000
make a mold, you can make how many. But they, you know, had to paint

764
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:40,000
them and everything.

765
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:45,000
They look really good. It wasn\'t like a real goofy looking, you know,

766
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:50,000
dinosaur or anything like that at all. Like it looked like somebody

767
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:55,000
really did think about it and maybe even went and talked to a

768
01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:00,000
paleontologist or went to the Museum of Natural History or whatever, you

769
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,000
know, the British Museum and looked at, you know, I don\'t know, an

770
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:10,000
X-ray of a dinosaur egg or whatever to kind of get it right.

771
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:15,000
Or as right as they had it in 1985. Again, credit to the production

772
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,000
crew. It was really cool.

773
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,000
And boy, do I absolutely love it when then that pays off. Yeah, I love

774
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:30,000
it. It\'s not just that the master and the Rani are stuck in her Tardis

775
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:35,000
and being flung wherever the hell they\'re being flung into a void or

776
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:40,000
whatever, and it\'s all shaking and they cannot do anything.

777
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:45,000
But no, that\'s not good enough. It gets better because the thing falls.

778
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,000
And then, wait, it still gets even better is that it starts to grow.

779
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:55,000
And you have to imagine, oh, wow, she\'s going to have at least one, if

780
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,000
not more, fully grown T-Rexes in her Tardis. It\'s funny because you

781
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,000
say, you did ask the question and then you kind of moved on and you

782
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:10,000
said, does it belong in the story? And I still say it makes sense in

783
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:15,000
terms of her character. Does it add anything to the overall story? No,

784
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:20,000
but it does.

785
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:25,000
It\'s Chekhov\'s gun. We showed you those. It\'s not just a nice little

786
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:30,000
character moment where, OK, you know, this is she\'s got other

787
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,000
experiments going on, whatever she\'s trying to do with dinosaur

788
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:40,000
embryos.

789
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,000
We don\'t know exactly to what extent, but she\'s doing it. And then

790
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:50,000
it\'s like, oh, and now at the end, you\'re trapped by your own

791
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:55,000
experiments. Yeah, you will you I think you nailed it.

792
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:00,000
The whole point was for throughout through this whole story is that

793
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:05,000
Ronnie has her fingers in many different pots. Yes. And I love that

794
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:10,000
because she is a scientist.

795
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:15,000
She\'s you know what they say that the master is is the doctor\'s

796
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:20,000
opposite number. It\'s not. I mean, not when the Ronnie\'s been

797
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:25,000
introduced and is on stage.

798
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:30,000
She\'s a scientist. The doctor is a scientist. She\'s a warped

799
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,000
scientist, a dark.

800
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:40,000
She is but a shadowy reflection of him. That\'s true. Maybe that she is

801
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,000
his true opposite number.

802
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,000
Hmm. She you know, she could have gone his route or he could have gone

803
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:55,000
hers. Right.

804
01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:00,000
Start from that same foundation. They\'re Time Lord scientists. And

805
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:05,000
they\'re both rogues.

806
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:10,000
OK, except she\'s evil. I guess. And then he you know, he is not right.

807
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,000
I think that\'s really what she\'s not. She\'s not evil. She\'s a moral.

808
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:20,000
OK, I think there\'s some there\'s some some semantics being played in

809
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:25,000
that. That\'s maybe for another, you know, another time or people can

810
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:30,000
write in and tell us what they think. Actually, you can look at a

811
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:35,000
morality as as a as a form of evil.

812
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:40,000
But in the sense of, you know, she\'s just doing what she\'s doing

813
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:45,000
because she wants to experiment. Now, if somebody dies, oh, well,

814
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:50,000
whereas the master, if somebody dies, goodie, you know, that\'s the

815
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,000
evil. I know she doesn\'t take pleasure in the hard one for me.

816
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,000
I mean, I\'m I\'m I respect what you\'re saying there. She knows damn

817
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,000
well what she\'s doing and she does it anyways. Yes, she has.

818
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:10,000
You know, it\'s a means to get to the end of where she wants to go. You

819
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:15,000
know, but that\'s I mean, it\'s a definition of evil. So everybody out

820
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:20,000
there listening, if you want to chime in, is is the is the Ronnie evil

821
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:25,000
or just a moral? We\'d love to hear from you.

822
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:30,000
And then we end with what do you do in there? Are you mainly? Yeah.

823
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:35,000
Again, it\'s the show itself commenting upon something that is probably

824
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:40,000
still talked about to this day. You know, why the hell have two

825
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:45,000
characters who argue that much? Right.

826
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:50,000
I just think that\'s so funny. They knew it then. It\'s totally and

827
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:55,000
completely on purpose.

828
01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:00,000
What do you so what do you do in there? But here\'s the thing. Mainly,

829
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:05,000
there\'s a difference. So in one sense, you say it like that, because we

830
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:10,000
saw that with the fifth doctor and Tegan.

831
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:15,000
Yeah, I never got the feeling maybe maybe a little bit from from Tegan,

832
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:20,000
but definitely not from the doctor. Never got the feeling they really

833
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,000
liked each other that much. No, you can say about the doctor and Perry.

834
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:30,000
They do like each other. She worries about him. He will, you know, you

835
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,000
mess with Perry, you mess with me.

836
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,000
Yeah. You know, yeah, there is a definite. And yes, they argue because

837
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:45,000
you know what? Sometimes people who care about each other do argue.

838
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:50,000
It happens. We saw it all the way back with Hartnell and Chesterton and,

839
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:55,000
you know, Barber. Chesterton.

840
01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:00,000
They had their moments of arguing. I\'ll take it back to Star Trek four,

841
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,000
Voyage Home. They\'re in the 20th century and there\'s the two garbage

842
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:10,000
men at the park where they have where they have parked.

843
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:15,000
Yeah. The Klingon bird of prey. And the guys are talking and the one

844
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:20,000
says something about his wife and the other says, buddy, why do you guys

845
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:25,000
fight so much? And the other guy says, what can I say? I like the way

846
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:30,000
she fights.

847
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,000
Yeah. I mean, maybe there\'s maybe there\'s some of that in Perry and

848
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:40,000
the doctor. And you said it, you know, people, sometimes people who care

849
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:45,000
about each other, who love each other, whatever.

850
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:50,000
That\'s what they do. Yeah. You\'re stuck together in this police box

851
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:55,000
for, you know, days and I don\'t know how long I\'m in, you know, and

852
01:10:55,000 --> 01:11:00,000
you fight, but you fight because you care.

853
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:05,000
You know, so that\'s that\'s very interesting. And you\'re absolutely

854
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:10,000
right. I never really ever believed that the doctor cared about.

855
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,000
What\'s your name? What\'s your name? What\'s your name? Wow. Okay. What

856
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:20,000
do you got? The only thing I\'ve got here is the what was it here? I

857
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:25,000
found it interesting that even though the humans who have their brain

858
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:30,000
fluids extracted are acting, you know, maniacal and crazed and what have

859
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:35,000
you, there\'s still a self preservation instinct because they\'re able

860
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:40,000
to run off when guns are brandished or fired and such.

861
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,000
And they\'ll follow direction because there\'s Ravensworth going sit in

862
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:50,000
that chair to one of them when he started acting up. Well, I would

863
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:55,000
assume that that means that like, when you\'re really, really, really

864
01:11:55,000 --> 01:12:00,000
tired, you get really grouchy and nasty, right? Sure. But but you would

865
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:05,000
still want to probably save your hide if something came up with whether

866
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:10,000
or not you\'re tired or not, you\'re still going to try to save your own

867
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:15,000
life, right? Yeah, that\'s a really good point.

868
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:20,000
Do you want to go first? I\'ll go first. Go first. I got no problem.

869
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:25,000
Okay. Some of this is nostalgia. My very first Colin Baker story I ever

870
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:30,000
watched was Mark of the Ronnie.

871
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,000
And I watched it at a convention in Manhattan. It was one of those

872
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:40,000
general conventions, George Takei was there. So was Peter Davison and

873
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:45,000
Patrick Troughton.

874
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:50,000
And I had just started getting into the show. But I was awkward. I never

875
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:55,000
felt comfortable about walking up to stars and to me.

876
01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:00,000
And there they were in costume. Signing autograph. I have a picture

877
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:05,000
somewhere I snapped from a distance of the two of them.

878
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:10,000
And I gotta find it. But you are probably now kicking yourself probably

879
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:15,000
not necessarily. The man is still with us.

880
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:20,000
Absolutely. Yeah. You know, but this was this was 87.

881
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:25,000
I\'d say because I started watching 86. So this was 87. And Colin Baker

882
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:30,000
hadn\'t premiered yet in New York.

883
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:35,000
So this was like a big thing. We have the Colin Baker, we have a Colin

884
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,000
Baker story, we\'re going to show the whole four parts, well, two parts,

885
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:45,000
you know, here. And I just happen to wander into the room for the

886
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:50,000
beginning of part one.

887
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:55,000
And I wasn\'t planning on staying because I was with friends and we were

888
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:00,000
supposed to be doing other things. And they\'d come into the room and

889
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:05,000
they\'re like, you know, we\'re going to go. What are you doing? And

890
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,000
I\'m like, I\'m staying.

891
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:15,000
I want to see the end of it. The jacket looks ridiculous on this guy,

892
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:20,000
but there\'s something bold and outgoing about him. And, you know, the

893
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:25,000
girl\'s easy on the eyes and, you know, and I\'m digging this this

894
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Ronnie and hey, there\'s the master, you know, that that time I was I

895
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:35,000
was cool with the master being there because I was just like, I

896
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:40,000
recognize him, you know.

897
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:45,000
Yeah. So I have all that nostalgia. I think I think, too, that these two

898
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:50,000
parts are very well put together.

899
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:55,000
Pip and Jane Baker aren\'t going to be consistent as writers. They\'re

900
01:14:55,000 --> 01:15:00,000
going to they\'re going to falter as we move along. But here this is

901
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,000
probably their strongest entry.

902
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:10,000
The biggest letdown now in watching it is the master. He shouldn\'t have

903
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:15,000
been in this. He shouldn\'t have taken from the Ronnie in any way.

904
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:20,000
And clearly, you know, he wasn\'t happy about doing it himself. So but

905
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:25,000
this was their way of getting him in for the season. So I\'m I\'m

906
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:30,000
bringing this one.

907
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:35,000
I said it to before that this and Vengeance on Varus are my two. So this

908
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,000
is also getting a 13. Yeah.

909
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:45,000
Yeah, you were were like in lockstep on that. My issues with this story

910
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:50,000
is the master never thought I\'d have to say something like that. He did

911
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:55,000
her dirt.

912
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:00,000
Yeah. By way of of whoever the heck made the decision, J&T, you know, I

913
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:05,000
assume or whatever. She is if she\'s underplaying it compared to her

914
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:10,000
second appearance, it\'s because he is who he is and he\'s the over the

915
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,000
top one.

916
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:20,000
Right. When you have two villains like that and you\'re both going over

917
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:25,000
the top, it you know, it doesn\'t really work. It\'s too bad.

918
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:30,000
I think Kate is was under cranking it here. And and yeah, it does hurt

919
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:35,000
the whole thing. I I wanted as we went along, I wanted the Rani to

920
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:40,000
shine, wanted to know more about her.

921
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,000
But she as a character was kind of hamstrung by by the by the master.

922
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:50,000
And that\'s a real shame, you know. And and it becomes more evident in

923
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,000
part two.

924
01:16:55,000 --> 01:17:00,000
I like part one much more than part two. The the writing is actually

925
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:05,000
gets a little, you know, what, wibbly wobbly or whatever in in in part

926
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:10,000
two. And, you know, a lot of that is the master\'s fault, not

927
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,000
Ainsley\'s, but, you know, the master.

928
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:20,000
But and then kind of bringing in some of the other elements as they as

929
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:25,000
they did or whatever, kind of heard it, too. But yeah, it\'s mostly I

930
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:30,000
lay it at the feet of of the master. It\'s a real shame.

931
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,000
And so what I\'ll do is I\'ll look forward to her next appearance. I\'m

932
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:40,000
hoping that she\'s the only bad guy in her next appearance. She is good.

933
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:45,000
OK. It just doesn\'t work. It\'s it\'s like the Batman movies.

934
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:50,000
Every time a Batman movie was announced as we went along, you know,

935
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:55,000
starting with the first Michael Keaton movie, they had to keep, you

936
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:00,000
know, adding in more villains. And they used to go, OK, well, this

937
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:05,000
one\'s going to have, you know, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane and the

938
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:10,000
Scarecrow. Right.

939
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:15,000
Go like, how the heck are you going to fit all of them in one movie and

940
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:20,000
have them all be able to like shine? Yeah. You know, well, the answer to

941
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:25,000
that one was you made two of them more henchmen than anything. But but

942
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:30,000
it it doesn\'t work.

943
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:35,000
You know, you have like the Two-Face and the Riddler and whatever one

944
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:40,000
that was Batman forever. And, you know, again, it\'s too much. Even the

945
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:45,000
even the the Christian Bale ones, they kept doing that, you know.

946
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:50,000
And that\'s that\'s the problem here. Uh, I am going to I still overall

947
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:55,000
had a good time, really like the Rani fascinating character, a really

948
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:00,000
great addition to the mythology. Kate Amara is really good, but I want

949
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:05,000
more from her.

950
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:10,000
Uh, so what you wish for? Yeah, I, I, I think I can I think I can remain

951
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:15,000
in lockstep with you. 13. Oh, yeah.

952
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:20,000
I thought you\'d be going a little lower. No, I was thinking about a 12.

953
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:25,000
But then but then I thought back and I think part one is so strong for

954
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:30,000
me.

955
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:35,000
Yeah, it helped me that helped me, you know, get get that to 13. Yeah.

956
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,000
Okay, well, this is a Jodie Whittaker.

957
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:45,000
All back down for a cuppa and a fried egg sandwich. I\'m really craving

958
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:50,000
a fried egg sandwich. Simple, no, not really.

959
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:55,000
All right. It\'s a work in progress. Yeah.

960
01:19:55,000 --> 01:20:00,000
That\'s appropriate, because we have a female villain. We have a female

961
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:05,000
director, female writer, and one half of the writing team is female.

962
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:10,000
Yeah.

963
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:15,000
Love it. Very nice. Yep.

964
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,000
Very nice. I think Jodie would approve. Yes, yes, yes.

965
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:25,000
Yeah. Um, with her dark hair and everything. The overall consensus is

966
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:30,000
one thing really quickly.

967
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:35,000
Sure. Sure. Jodie Whittaker is that much more attractive to me with dark

968
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:40,000
hair.

969
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:45,000
A lot of people say that. Yeah. Yeah.

970
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:50,000
Yeah. She\'s I think she looks even prettier now. I don\'t know how old

971
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:55,000
that thing was that I saw.

972
01:20:55,000 --> 01:21:00,000
I think it was recent that YouTube thing that I saw. But okay, just

973
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:05,000
wanted to throw that one out there. Yeah, I just wanted to point out to

974
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:10,000
the the overall consensus among those on the behind the sofa.

975
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:15,000
We had Peter Davison and Janet Fielding and Sarah Sutton on one couch

976
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:20,000
and then Terry Malloy Davros with Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant on

977
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:25,000
another couch. And then Sylvester McCoy with Wendy Padbury on a third

978
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:30,000
couch. Overall, all of them said this has been the best one so far.

979
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:35,000
Because as Sarah Sutton put it, this one wasn\'t so dark. All the other

980
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:40,000
ones have been dark. And there\'s been a lot of death and violence.

981
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:45,000
And yes, there was. But it was it was better handled here. So they all

982
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:50,000
appreciated this story the most so far.

983
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,000
Okay, well, that\'s cool. Yeah. Yeah.

984
01:21:55,000 --> 01:22:00,000
So it\'ll be interesting to see what they think of the last three for

985
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:05,000
this season when we get to them. So yeah, right. Yeah.

986
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:10,000
Oh, come here. Come here, you scrumptious little beauty. A boss? Doctor,

987
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,000
what is it? I\'ve got mail.

988
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:20,000
That brings us to mail. Yay mail. Lots of mail.

989
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:25,000
Yay mail. Another bulging mail bag. Yes.

990
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:30,000
Yes. Wow. I think you\'re gonna start us up.

991
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:35,000
I think we have finally arrived. We might. I think we may have.

992
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:40,000
It took three years. So our Wayward Guest host, the Missing Felicity

993
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:45,000
Cousin, wrote in. So she is she is here in spirit, though.

994
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:50,000
Yes. We\'ll be here as embodied before too long. Yes.

995
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:55,000
Dear bearded one, she begins, I\'m so sorry, I was unable to join you as

996
01:22:55,000 --> 01:23:00,000
planned. Had I attempted it, I would have sounded even worse than I did

997
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:05,000
on the horns of Neiman and probably comprised my recovery. Oh, well, we

998
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:10,000
wouldn\'t have wanted that to happen.

999
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:15,000
On the whole, I do actually like Colin Baker\'s doctor and did so at the

1000
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:20,000
time. Perry, however, is my least favorite companion. I\'ll save that

1001
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:25,000
discussion for my rescheduled visit later in the season.

1002
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:30,000
Vengeance on Veros has remained in my memory as a high point of the

1003
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:35,000
Colin Baker era. I rewatched Trial of a Time Lord within the last few

1004
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:40,000
years for another podcast, but I didn\'t take that opportunity to

1005
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:45,000
revisit any of this season. I probably haven\'t watched Veros in over 20

1006
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:50,000
years.

1007
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:55,000
When I first saw it, I was already a fan of Jason Connery, thanks to

1008
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:00,000
Robin of Sherwood, which had aired on Showtime in the U.S. under the

1009
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:05,000
name Robin Hood. I think he does a fine job with this part, one of the

1010
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:10,000
only likable characters in the story, along with his wife, Aretha. I

1011
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,000
know the violence in the story was a big issue at the time, particularly

1012
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:20,000
the doctor\'s seeming joke at the death of the guards and the acid bath.

1013
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:25,000
What I found hard to take in this scene was the dying guard reaching out

1014
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:30,000
to pull the other one in. It seemed like a clumsy way to avoid making

1015
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:35,000
the doctor responsible for the death. The cliffhanger to episode one is

1016
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:40,000
originally broadcast as one of the all-time greats of the classic

1017
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:45,000
series.

1018
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:50,000
I really like the final moments with Eric and Etta as well. Funny how a

1019
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:55,000
40-year-old satire seems to anticipate what reality TV and social media

1020
01:24:55,000 --> 01:25:00,000
have wrought. Did I say funny? I meant depressing as hell.

1021
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,000
Syl is a unique creation, and I\'m sure some would say uniquely

1022
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:10,000
annoying. I\'ve always enjoyed him, though the gurgling did drain on me

1023
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:15,000
this time. I wouldn\'t exactly call him comic relief, but he does add a

1024
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:20,000
level of silliness to an otherwise very dark story.

1025
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:25,000
I can\'t ultimately decide whether this benefits the story or not. I was

1026
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:30,000
unexpectedly reminded of Cassandra from the second episode of the new

1027
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:35,000
series. Moisturize me! Isn\'t that what you brought up? That\'s what I

1028
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:40,000
brought up, yep.

1029
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:45,000
I wonder if RTD had Syl in mind when he created that character. My

1030
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:50,000
rating, 10. I\'ll end here and maybe follow up with a poster after I

1031
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:55,000
listen to the episode regards Felicity.

1032
01:25:55,000 --> 01:26:00,000
Okay. Felicity, we missed you and we look forward to your triumphant

1033
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:05,000
return to the show. Very soon.

1034
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:10,000
Very soon. The Dalek story. The Dalek story.

1035
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:15,000
Yep. All right. You\'re up to bat next.

1036
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:20,000
I\'m up to bat next. I have here from our man down under there, Jeff

1037
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:25,000
Scott. Good day, beardos.

1038
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:30,000
Everyone who hates Vengeance on Varos, write in. Okay, here I am. It

1039
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:35,000
worked.

1040
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:40,000
It worked. I wouldn\'t say I hate it, though, he says. It just felt like

1041
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:45,000
it could have been much better.

1042
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:50,000
A lot of elements that we\'ve seen before, some good ideas, but

1043
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:55,000
ultimately it\'s just a bit meh. It\'s good to see that even the wife of

1044
01:26:55,000 --> 01:27:00,000
a rebel on the run in a torture dome can still find time to visit the

1045
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:05,000
hair salon. I also enjoyed the return of Let\'s Escape from the Guards

1046
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:10,000
by stealing their mobility scooter that has a top speed barely above

1047
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:15,000
walking pace.

1048
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:20,000
At least in The Sunmakers, the other end of the corridor was a long way

1049
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:25,000
away. This one was about three paces. The Sunmakers.

1050
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:30,000
Oh my. Yes. I haven\'t gotten to that yet in The Memory Tardis, so you

1051
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:35,000
didn\'t mention it for some reason, but I do like Perry\'s new outfit,

1052
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:40,000
and I do like Perry in general, even though she always seems to be

1053
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:45,000
having a pretty rough time and gets kidnapped by men in masks more often

1054
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:50,000
than is fair.

1055
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:55,000
I thought you did say something about the outfit. Yeah, I thought you

1056
01:27:55,000 --> 01:28:00,000
did. The biggest letdown for me was the ending.

1057
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:05,000
Ultimately, the doctor had nothing to do with it, which you also did

1058
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:10,000
say. Sill called in an invasion fleet who were on their way for 30

1059
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:15,000
seconds anyway. Then it was, we found another source of Zeiton invasions

1060
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:20,000
off, and 30 seconds after that, we need as much Zeiton as we can get to

1061
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:25,000
pay anything.

1062
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:30,000
I guess the other source didn\'t work out after all, and by now the

1063
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:35,000
invasion fleet would have stopped and maybe even had time to turn around

1064
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:40,000
and head home, so there\'s obviously no way they could return to that

1065
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:45,000
plan. He\'s got a point. A far better ending would have been for the

1066
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:50,000
doctor to have told the governor how much the ore was worth and how many

1067
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:55,000
other prospective buyers were out there, and the governor to have just

1068
01:28:55,000 --> 01:29:00,000
cut off Sill and his company completely as he built new trading

1069
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:05,000
partnerships.

1070
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:10,000
I still say the Time Lords could have gotten involved in that way. But

1071
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:15,000
anyway, I guess they all lived happily ever after on Varos, though the

1072
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:20,000
story of how such a society adjusts to a new way of living would be

1073
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:25,000
interesting to explore. I imagine there would be a fair proportion of

1074
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:30,000
the population who wouldn\'t be all that happy with the ending of

1075
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:35,000
televised torture and executions and the ability to zap their governor

1076
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:40,000
when they get sick of him.

1077
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:45,000
I haven\'t listened to your Attack of the Cybermen episode yet, but as I

1078
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:50,000
recall, that is one of the best Colin Baker stories, but not at my bar.

1079
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:55,000
I\'m in fact three quarters of the way through watching The Invasion for

1080
01:29:55,000 --> 01:30:00,000
the first time with the animated missing episodes. Yep, which has some

1081
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,000
interesting parallels of the Cybermen in the sewers and tunnels.

1082
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:10,000
I also saw an interesting parallel between the emotion weapon Professor

1083
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:15,000
Watkins is forced to build and the Varos transmogrifier, which used the

1084
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:20,000
subject\'s fears and emotions to transform them. I will be listening to

1085
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:25,000
your Invasion episode this week to see what you made of it. Okay, good.

1086
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:30,000
It\'s around this era that I lost touch with the show as a kid. It

1087
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:35,000
wasn\'t that I was not interested anymore. But I was into my teenage

1088
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:40,000
years and was very heavily involved in a lot of sports.

1089
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:45,000
Doctor Who screened Monday to Friday at six or 630 in Australia back

1090
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:50,000
then, and I simply wasn\'t home much of the time. So from here, my

1091
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:55,000
experience of the show was pretty patchy. And a lot of it I only saw

1092
01:30:55,000 --> 01:31:00,000
much later when the new show came out and the ABC went back and showed

1093
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:05,000
all the old ones again.

1094
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:10,000
I do remember seeing some bits of Trial of the Time Lord season, and I

1095
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:15,000
remember seeing Mel introduced. On the other hand, I know nothing of

1096
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:20,000
Patrick Troughton returning in The Two Doctors until 20 years later. And

1097
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:25,000
at that point, the only time I had seen Troughton on screen was the

1098
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:30,000
three and five Doctor stories.

1099
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:35,000
I was aware of the arrival of Sylvester McCoy as the seventh doctor, but

1100
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:40,000
I never saw any that I remember. And I never saw Ace. I didn\'t watch

1101
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:45,000
the Paul McGann movie when it came out and thought it was pretty rubbish

1102
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:50,000
when I did watch it.

1103
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:55,000
So that\'s my childhood in Doctor Who about two thirds of John Pertwee,

1104
01:31:55,000 --> 01:32:00,000
Tom Baker, Peter Davison and the beginnings of Colin Burke. Sorry,

1105
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:05,000
Baker. Plus the novelizations and other related books that I read many

1106
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:10,000
times than I ever saw the TV show.

1107
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:15,000
Everything else I caught up with retrospectively from about 2004

1108
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:20,000
onwards. Next week I see you meet the Ronnie. Don\'t know when I\'ll

1109
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:25,000
next be watching that one, but I\'ll catch up on your thoughts then.

1110
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:30,000
She is another one I didn\'t know about until years later, but I think

1111
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:35,000
she is a good character that we probably didn\'t see enough of.

1112
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:40,000
Hopefully the current show can find a way to keep her around, as I

1113
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:45,000
thought the new incarnation was superb. Onward through time and space,

1114
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:50,000
Jeff.

1115
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:55,000
Sounds like a pretty well-rounded Doctor Who childhood to me. Yes. Yes,

1116
01:32:55,000 --> 01:33:00,000
it does.

1117
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:05,000
And thank you very much for your thoughts there, Jeff. Very well thought

1118
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:10,000
out in terms of specific points and such. Really appreciate it.

1119
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:15,000
Absolutely. A few things that I didn\'t think of and I did appreciate

1120
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:20,000
that. Up next, Justin.

1121
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:25,000
Justin Galloway or Gallifrey. Justin Gallifrey Galloway with a subject

1122
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:30,000
line that reads, it\'s the end, but the moment has been painfully

1123
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:35,000
awaited. Greetings, Rassel John and Brigabeard.

1124
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:40,000
At the time of this writing, I am awaiting your Peter Davison

1125
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:45,000
retrospective, but as always, I don\'t know the cutoff for submitting

1126
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:50,000
letters, so hopefully this makes it in to be included, but if not,

1127
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:55,000
there\'s always next time. I\'ve mentioned a few times how I have always

1128
01:33:55,000 --> 01:34:00,000
felt let down by the fifth Doctor, but I did want to provide a few more

1129
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:05,000
thoughts now that your show is moving into the Colin Baker era. I fully

1130
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:10,000
acknowledge that my love of Tom Baker has always clouded my judgment of

1131
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:15,000
Davison\'s portrayal.

1132
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:20,000
That makes me less than objective. Still, as a kid watching the fifth

1133
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:25,000
Doctor era, I did like Davison and was all in on his adventures.

1134
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:30,000
However, I do remember not really liking the companions, constant

1135
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:35,000
bickering, and I\'ve heard others describe the season 19 crew as a

1136
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:40,000
dysfunctional family with the Doctor as the dad trying to wrangle his

1137
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:45,000
kids, but to me, the dynamic seemed to be more that there were no

1138
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:50,000
parents with the Doctor just being the oldest sibling.

1139
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:55,000
As a teen viewer, it made me feel very unmoored and anxious that there

1140
01:34:55,000 --> 01:35:00,000
often seemed to be no adults in the room as we encountered alien

1141
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,000
threats. As I said before, the fifth Doctor just comes across to me as

1142
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:10,000
largely ineffective and, well, sort of milquetoast. I\'m sorry, John.

1143
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:15,000
Looking back now, I can see what J&T was going for, and I don\'t blame

1144
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:20,000
him for trying to create a different feel for the show. I\'ve always

1145
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:25,000
considered Doctor Who\'s best asset to be its ability to change, dare I

1146
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:30,000
say regenerate, and constantly reinvent itself. It\'s a great part of

1147
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:35,000
its charm.

1148
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:40,000
So while Davison is not my favorite Doctor, not even in the top half, I

1149
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:45,000
still enjoy the stories and can appreciate seasons 19, 20, and 21 for

1150
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:50,000
being different in look and feel from all the previous seasons, even if

1151
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:55,000
many of the stories are retreads. I almost thought that said retards.

1152
01:35:55,000 --> 01:36:00,000
Sorry.

1153
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:05,000
That\'s just me, folks. That is not Justin. He said retreads, but I\'m

1154
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:10,000
just reading too fast.

1155
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:15,000
I quickly wanted to say a word about The Five Doctors, which was my

1156
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:20,000
favorite story for many years. At the time I watched it, I had not yet

1157
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:25,000
seen season 20, so Teagan\'s hair was a total shock. It took the Doctor

1158
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:30,000
saying her name for me to definitively recognize, or to, yeah,

1159
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:35,000
definitively recognize her, and I had no idea who Turlow was.

1160
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:40,000
God, I\'d already forgotten about Turlow. I also sadly had not heard the

1161
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:45,000
news that Tom Baker wasn\'t going to be in it, so I spent the entire

1162
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:50,000
story thinking surely he was going to play a key role in the final act.

1163
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:55,000
It was initially quite disappointing, but I did enjoy seeing the second

1164
01:36:55,000 --> 01:37:00,000
and third Doctors for the first time and grew to love the story, even

1165
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:05,000
without Baker, though it will always seem to me a huge missed

1166
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:10,000
opportunity.

1167
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:15,000
I remember getting my hands on the Target novelization with the cool

1168
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:20,000
silver cover and reading it in hopes that maybe the book would have

1169
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:25,000
extra fourth Doctor scenes, but alas. Okay, that\'s it for now. As I\'m

1170
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:30,000
working on tour, I\'m excited to hear your takes on Colin Baker\'s era.

1171
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:35,000
Justin Gallifrey, Galloway. It\'s interesting how many people, their

1172
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:40,000
first exposure to Patrick Troughton, William Hartnell, and Pertwee is

1173
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:45,000
Three Doctors, Five Doctors. Yeah.

1174
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:50,000
That was mine. Five Doctors was my first. Well, I mean, I can see it,

1175
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:55,000
really.

1176
01:37:55,000 --> 01:38:00,000
I mean, that didn\'t happen to me. That\'s really interesting. I\'m

1177
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:05,000
trying to remember if I knew that back then that Tom Baker was the

1178
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:10,000
Doctor in the show, I don\'t really know if I had any kind of conscious

1179
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:15,000
awareness of anybody that there were guys before him.

1180
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:20,000
Although this is interesting because I think I came across the fact that

1181
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:25,000
Starlog magazine had an interview at one point with John Pertwee, and I

1182
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:30,000
had Starlog magazine from the very beginning up through, I mean, I

1183
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:35,000
bought that regularly for well over 10 years. So I must have seen that.

1184
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:40,000
But you know what? If I didn\'t recognize something, sometimes I just

1185
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:45,000
skip those articles.

1186
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:50,000
Sorry to say. All right, it\'s back over to you. Back over to me.

1187
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:55,000
Our friend Jameson writes, fine bearded ones, vengeance on Varos,

1188
01:38:55,000 --> 01:39:00,000
listening to Jim\'s initial thoughts. And this will definitely be an

1189
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:05,000
interesting discussion. Sorry to miss Felicity.

1190
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:10,000
Hope she gets to feeling better soon. Philip Martin is an interesting

1191
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:15,000
character because while he wrote two mostly decent stories for TV, I\'ll

1192
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:20,000
get more into that mostly with his Season 23 story. His other stories

1193
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:25,000
are either mixed bags or outright crap.

1194
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:30,000
I\'ve listened to the three audios he wrote, though only one fairly

1195
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:35,000
recently. Mission to Magnus was one of the stories written for the

1196
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:40,000
original Season 23 before it was canceled. We\'ll get into that with the

1197
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:45,000
Child of the Time Lord season.

1198
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:50,000
It was then novelized as well as produced as an audio for Big Finish\'s

1199
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:55,000
Lost Stories range. It features Syl, the Ice Warriors, a childhood bully

1200
01:39:55,000 --> 01:40:00,000
of the Doctors and features a matriarchal society that only uses males

1201
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,000
for reproduction. Creed of the Chromon is an Eighth Doctor story, main

1202
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:10,000
range 53.

1203
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:15,000
It\'s part of the Divergent Universe arc that was very experimental.

1204
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:20,000
There\'s a cool idea of a corporation invading a world and the

1205
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:25,000
indigenous species adopting their business practices without undertaking

1206
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:30,000
the meaning behind them. However, the sexism and body horror is a huge

1207
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:35,000
part of this and is really unpleasant to listen to.

1208
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:40,000
Plus, despite some potentially interesting ideas, it\'s just boring

1209
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:45,000
antidote to Oblivion. Main Range 182 is a Sixth Doctor flip story

1210
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:50,000
that\'s a sequel to Mind Warp. I remember enjoying this one, but it\'s

1211
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:55,000
been ages since I listened to it.

1212
01:40:55,000 --> 01:41:00,000
According to the DVDs, a four-part serial is 100 minutes. Two 45-minute

1213
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:05,000
episodes is 90 minutes. Vengeance is a direct commentary on the video

1214
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:10,000
nasties of the time.

1215
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:15,000
These were direct-to-video, low-budget, violent and rather sexual films

1216
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:20,000
that arose from the advent of VHS technology. Transformation

1217
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:25,000
experimentation seems to be a big interest for Martin, as evidenced by

1218
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:30,000
next season\'s Mind Warp and the audio creed of the Chromon. Finally,

1219
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:35,000
email replies.

1220
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:40,000
The blue coat that John mentions Big Finish using is one that first

1221
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:45,000
appeared in the story Real Time, which Big Finish recorded, but was

1222
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:50,000
primarily a Flash animation webcast. The reason for the blue coat is

1223
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:55,000
because one color is easier to animate with the Flash animation than the

1224
01:41:55,000 --> 01:42:00,000
multitude of his normal coat. Okay, there you go.

1225
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:05,000
And Jamie, girl, you haven\'t seen 8. It appears that someone has

1226
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:10,000
uploaded the TV movie to YouTube, though not through any official

1227
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:15,000
channel. There\'s also the option of checking your local library if they

1228
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:20,000
don\'t already have a copy of DVD, checking to see if they can purchase

1229
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:25,000
one or get one through Interlibrary Loan, ILL. As for other ways to

1230
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:30,000
experience 8, Night of the Doctor, his regeneration into the war doctor,

1231
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:35,000
is free on YouTube, and a good encapsulation of his doctor.

1232
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:40,000
Also, there are several early Big Finish audios free on Spotify,

1233
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:45,000
including the first 50 main range titles, which includes about 11 with 8

1234
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:50,000
and Charlie, plus at least one series of the 8 and Lucy audios. The Mark

1235
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:55,000
of the Ronnie, this is a fun one with great location work. We\'re

1236
01:42:55,000 --> 01:43:00,000
introduced to the Ronnie, the master returns and the interactions

1237
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:05,000
between the Ronnie and master are great.

1238
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:10,000
I will of course have more to say next week. Keep up the great show,

1239
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:15,000
Jamie. Okay, homework, I\'m assigning homework, you are class.

1240
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:20,000
Beginning right now, everybody needs to track down however you\'re going

1241
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:25,000
to do it, but please don\'t do it illegally. The Palm Again, Doctor Who

1242
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:30,000
TV movie, if you\'ve never watched it, if you haven\'t watched it in a

1243
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:35,000
long while, you know, whatever, because we\'re going to be getting to it

1244
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:40,000
before too long. It\'ll be here before you know it.

1245
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:45,000
Yeah, but start now and figure out how you can watch it and watch it.

1246
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:50,000
Because, because when we get to it, you\'re going to want to know what

1247
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:55,000
we know. Okay.

1248
01:43:55,000 --> 01:44:00,000
All right. So start now. You\'ve got what a year, right? Okay.

1249
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:05,000
What a year? Oh, no. No, it\'s, it\'s gonna be well, maybe in the fall.

1250
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:10,000
Yeah.

1251
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:15,000
This fall. This fall. Oh, my goodness.

1252
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:20,000
We\'re not. I mean, you know, we\'re almost done with Colin Baker.

1253
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:25,000
There\'s seven more stories to go.

1254
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:30,000
And then there\'s only 12 McGann stories. McCoy, or McCoy. I said again,

1255
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:35,000
McCoy, one of those mix a lot of people out there got really excited who

1256
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:40,000
all love Paul McGann.

1257
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:45,000
There\'s more. There\'s more. Oh, okay.

1258
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:50,000
Jamie girls up next, with a subject line that reads not so sexy doctor.

1259
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:55,000
Now, there\'s no comma. So she\'s not saying not so sexy, doctor.

1260
01:44:55,000 --> 01:45:00,000
She\'s saying not so sexy doctor. Yes, I assume. I think it\'s safe to

1261
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,000
say, especially considering your first line.

1262
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:10,000
Okay. Your first line is good morning, bearded ones. Well, she says, I

1263
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:15,000
do not see how Colin Baker was considered the sexiest doctor to date or

1264
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:20,000
ever.

1265
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:25,000
To me, I\'m sure you\'re not surprised. That would be Peter Davison. I

1266
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:30,000
didn\'t find John partly to be sexy, although his son, Sean meow.

1267
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:35,000
Come on, folks. Why do you make me read these things out loud? And Jim,

1268
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:40,000
we do have a crush in common with our DJ. I know we\'ve talked about

1269
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:45,000
that before.

1270
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:50,000
I don\'t mind talking about that. Yeah, guys in a mask kind of close

1271
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:55,000
together, but that\'s not a surprise with the lack of continuity in Dr.

1272
01:45:55,000 --> 01:46:00,000
Who. To me, though, they\'re very different.

1273
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:05,000
This guy, I can\'t remember his name. Quillen did the damage to himself.

1274
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:10,000
He was horrible, but his scars didn\'t damage his psyche.

1275
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:15,000
He wasn\'t seeking vengeance for them. Nope. No vengeance in this story,

1276
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:20,000
LOL.

1277
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:25,000
He was just a crazy scientist. Speaking of crazy scientists, we get to

1278
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:30,000
meet the Ronnie. I\'ve never understood what the the is for.

1279
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:35,000
Why isn\'t she just Ronnie? Is it slang for something that I just don\'t

1280
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:40,000
know about? Well, I\'ll address that when we get to the end. Anyway, her

1281
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:45,000
lack of compassion and conscience are really striking. It\'s a very

1282
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:50,000
consistent part of her personality that we see in every classic Who

1283
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:55,000
story she\'s in.

1284
01:46:55,000 --> 01:47:00,000
I do enjoy her being combined with the master in this story. Their

1285
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:05,000
banter and watching their tug of war of wits are amusing. What the heck

1286
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:10,000
with Perry\'s outfit? It\'s fine.

1287
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:15,000
Don\'t get me wrong. But why was she wearing it before they even landed?

1288
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:20,000
Makes no sense. See, John, I\'m not the only one.

1289
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:25,000
And it must have sucked to be in those heels, even though they were low

1290
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:30,000
in all that mud. History sure was messy. Not a lot more to say on these

1291
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:35,000
two stories and gotta get to work.

1292
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:40,000
Have a great week and stay warm. Jamie drill. I\'m in the minority.

1293
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:45,000
No, because we agree. You and I are in the minority. Everybody seems to

1294
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:50,000
really appreciate and love that the master and the Ronnie are together.

1295
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:55,000
Yeah, yeah. I think she\'s done it was done a great disservice by it.

1296
01:47:55,000 --> 01:48:00,000
But that\'s just me and you.

1297
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:05,000
One thing I do want to say because you you were saying she\'s kind of

1298
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:10,000
undersold with the master there. I think that works in her favor and

1299
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:15,000
makes her the more dangerous threat of the two. Like I said, when we get

1300
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:20,000
to the next story without the master there to prance around her, she

1301
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:25,000
starts doing the over the top stuff.

1302
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:30,000
And she\'s not as appealing, in my opinion. Now you may change your

1303
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:35,000
mind. You may you may feel differently when you see it.

1304
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:40,000
But I don\'t like her as much in her next story time in the Ronnie.

1305
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:45,000
Okay. Yeah, fair enough.

1306
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:50,000
Yeah. Okay, to address the the the the Ronnie. So as some of you know,

1307
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:55,000
and some of you may not know, and but I just googled it just to make

1308
01:48:55,000 --> 01:49:00,000
absolutely certain I went to Google\'s Hindi to English translator.

1309
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:05,000
And under under the box for Hindi, the Hindi words, I typed in Ronnie.

1310
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:10,000
And it immediately translated it into English as yes, Queen is the

1311
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:15,000
Queen. It\'s very interesting that they chose to not call her the Queen.

1312
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:20,000
But that probably is out of respect for the British Queen that they

1313
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:25,000
didn\'t, I assume, to have her running around called the Queen and

1314
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:30,000
she\'s a bad guy. Right? Right. So it\'s very interesting, because Kate

1315
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:35,000
O\'Mara, as far as I know, does not have Indian heritage.

1316
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:40,000
I don\'t think India, of course. Now, I don\'t think so. But I mean, I

1317
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:45,000
didn\'t I didn\'t look it up.

1318
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:50,000
The actor who plays her now does. So it\'s even more appropriate now.

1319
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:55,000
But I would assume it\'s just like the master, the doctor, right? Right.

1320
01:49:55,000 --> 01:50:00,000
It\'s she\'s the Ronnie. Was there ever a time where they just said, you

1321
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:05,000
know, like, like, doctor, what are you doing now? Did anybody just say

1322
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:10,000
Ronnie? What are you doing now? Oh, sure. There are times where where

1323
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:15,000
they refer to her as just Ronnie.

1324
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:20,000
Yeah. Okay. Okay.

1325
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:25,000
Yeah, I think it\'s just that same thing. You know, the Queen, you know,

1326
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:30,000
you don\'t just call somebody Queen unless that\'s their last name, like

1327
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:35,000
Oliver Queen. Right.

1328
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:40,000
But But yeah, that\'s what it is, is it\'s Hindi, which is the primary

1329
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:45,000
language of India. As far as I know, is it means Ronnie means the Queen.

1330
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:50,000
Right.

1331
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:55,000
And she is, she is the very interesting choice. I mean, you know, I

1332
01:50:55,000 --> 01:51:00,000
mean, I mean, I guess she is kind of in a way or she is of her planet.

1333
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:05,000
And maybe that\'s, you know, like, there\'s no explanation for why in

1334
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:10,000
the fiction of the show, when we assume they\'re speaking English or

1335
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:15,000
whatever, that they use a Hindi word to describe her, you know, right.

1336
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:20,000
That, you know, I mean, I don\'t know. So but it probably has something

1337
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:25,000
to do with it. She was the ruler of that planet that she mentions.

1338
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:30,000
Yes, is it? I\'m probably right. I think that has a lot to do with it.

1339
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:35,000
But she may have been the Ronnie, you know, even on Gallifrey.

1340
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:40,000
Oh, that\'s interesting, or insisted that people, you know, call her

1341
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:45,000
that. Right? Yeah. Well, yes.

1342
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:50,000
Okay. There\'s, there\'s, that\'s good. You know, I mean, you know what,

1343
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:55,000
even to some extent, it is a little egotistical of the doctor to call

1344
01:51:55,000 --> 01:52:00,000
himself the doctor, right? Right.

1345
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:05,000
That\'s an authority figure. It\'s, it\'s a term, it\'s a title that

1346
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:10,000
usually commands respect, you know, a knowledgeable, very educated

1347
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:15,000
person, you know, to be able to get a PhD. So I mean, it\'s not as

1348
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:20,000
egotistical as calling yourself the master.

1349
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:25,000
I mean, that\'s gotta be, that\'s got to be pretty equal to calling

1350
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:30,000
yourself the queen. Right? Right. Hey, I have a, I have an extra little

1351
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:35,000
mailbag here for you.

1352
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:40,000
You do? You were holding out on me. Well, well, no, you do know about

1353
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:45,000
it. But you didn\'t know I was going to use it here.

1354
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:50,000
But I think it\'s important because we just today heard from Shag. And I

1355
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:55,000
think as we go along, there might be some people out there who go, what

1356
01:52:55,000 --> 01:53:00,000
happened to that one guy who he was a guest at one time, and he always

1357
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:05,000
would write in, but he isn\'t really good. He\'s very, very smart and

1358
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:10,000
very incisive.

1359
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:15,000
Yes. You laughed at that. I\'m sorry, Shag.

1360
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:20,000
I really am. He did. He did send us a message today.

1361
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:25,000
And whether or not he intended for us to read it, I did want to read

1362
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:30,000
part of it. He said to us, I think I\'d mentioned to you both

1363
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:35,000
previously, but I\'d still be listening and loving your chats, but just

1364
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:40,000
won\'t be writing in during the Colin Baker years. It\'s not your

1365
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:45,000
discussion.

1366
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:50,000
It\'s just anything I\'d write would be so negative about the Dr. Who

1367
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:55,000
show itself. And I don\'t want to be that guy. Keep up the great work.

1368
01:53:55,000 --> 01:54:00,000
And that\'s from Shag. So he\'ll still be listening, I hope. But, and I

1369
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:05,000
said back to him, totally understandable.

1370
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:10,000
You know, we get it. So if anybody wonders what happened to that guy,

1371
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:15,000
but I don\'t remember, we might get him back for Sylvester McCoy. I

1372
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:20,000
think that\'s a fair, that\'s a fair, yeah.

1373
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:25,000
I\'ll be looking forward to that. No matter what his opinion on Peter

1374
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:30,000
Davidson is. No matter how wrong his opinion is.

1375
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:35,000
All right. So that is the mailbag. That is the mailbag.

1376
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:40,000
And with that, that\'ll bring us to the end of this episode of the

1377
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:45,000
Doctor\'s Beard podcast. Before we head on out, Jim, what\'s going on

1378
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:50,000
with you? Oh my gosh, what\'s not going on with me? I finished a novel

1379
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:55,000
in 24 days. It\'s insane.

1380
01:54:55,000 --> 01:55:00,000
I\'ve never done, I\'ve never written one that quick before. I\'ve

1381
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,000
started in on editing it now. That won\'t be as long or, you know, as

1382
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:10,000
in-depth as actually writing it.

1383
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:15,000
Because it\'s coming out, you know, pretty well. I\'m, I just started

1384
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:20,000
writing a new nonfiction book that\'s comic book related. And I just

1385
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:25,000
finished and sent in another article for Retro Fan Magazine.

1386
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:30,000
Wow. So those are the things that I have going on now. I\'m just about

1387
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:35,000
30 days out from going to Disney World.

1388
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:40,000
And believe me, when I get up in the morning and it\'s zero degrees with

1389
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:45,000
a negative six windchill, I am thinking about Disney World. My cousins

1390
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:50,000
are there now. And I\'m clutching my phone minute to minute, just

1391
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:55,000
waiting for updates from them of where they are or what they\'re doing.

1392
01:55:55,000 --> 01:56:00,000
Because I can\'t, you know, I can\'t stand it. I\'m so jealous. You know

1393
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:05,000
what? It\'s in the 30s when they\'ve gotten up the last two mornings

1394
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:10,000
there, 36 degrees.

1395
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:15,000
That\'s a heat wave. Compared to what we have. Yeah.

1396
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:20,000
But in Lake Buena Vista, Florida. Yeah. Yeah.

1397
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:25,000
But today it got up to like six mid 60s. And they said it was gorgeous,

1398
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:30,000
beautiful there. So that\'s what\'s going on with me.

1399
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:35,000
You know, we\'re, we\'re, we\'re, we\'re do another snowstorm,

1400
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:40,000
apparently. At least here in New York. No.

1401
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:45,000
At least in New York. That\'s all my god. Yeah.

1402
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:50,000
Oh my god. Yeah. John, what the hell is those words in your mouth? Shut

1403
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:55,000
up.

1404
01:56:55,000 --> 01:57:00,000
Uh, I\'m sorry. Well, you know what? Maybe you\'re getting that and

1405
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:05,000
we\'re not necessarily getting that. Uh, well, in any event, we\'ll,

1406
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:10,000
we\'ll weather it out here as, as we move on to our next story.

1407
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:15,000
As we, as we, uh, come back here first on Monday for our Patreon

1408
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:20,000
episode, more of Voyager part four, some Dr. Who music and some memory

1409
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:25,000
TARDIS. But then we\'re back on Friday on the Patreon feed Saturday, the

1410
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:30,000
following week, talking the two doctors, a three part story, Jim. So

1411
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:35,000
let\'s see, let\'s see how, how well things hold up there.

1412
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:40,000
If you\'ve got to sit through three 45 minute episodes. Oh my word. It

1413
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:45,000
does have Patrick Troughton though.

1414
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:50,000
Okay. You know, and you always seem to like Patrick Troughton better

1415
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:55,000
when he\'s tempered by the other ones, right? What\'s wrong when I

1416
01:57:55,000 --> 01:58:00,000
don\'t mind if there\'s, you know, like, you know, I don\'t necessarily

1417
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:05,000
like multiple bad guys together, but, but when the good guys all get

1418
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:10,000
together, it\'s not so bad. Right.

1419
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:15,000
Yeah. I like superhero team ups. Oh man.

1420
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:20,000
So folks until then, thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much

1421
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:25,000
for your continued patronage. Once again, Jim, everyone take care.

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01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:30,000
And now, you know, what your co-hosts do in the doctor\'s beard TARDIS

1423
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:35,000
argue mainly. I don\'t know what the blazes this thing is. Ask doctor.

1424
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:40,000
Have you ever tried asking the doctor a question? Battered, but not

1425
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:45,000
bowed. Thank you. Had to get it out manually.

1426
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:50,000
No easy task. 40 of us. Set it if you want it.

1427
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:55,000
Oh, thank you. Haven\'t you any questions? There wouldn\'t be any point.

1428
01:58:55,000 --> 01:59:00,000
Not much.

1429
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:05,000
Doesn\'t mean a science doctor. This valve\'s a problem. You find the

1430
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:10,000
answer.

1431
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:15,000
My sentiments exactly. And when you do, your invention will take off

1432
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:20,000
like a rocket. Stevenson.

1433
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:25,000
Those puns get worse. I thought they were improving. I will venture just

1434
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:30,000
one question, doctor.

1435
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:35,000
What precisely do you do in there? Argue, mainly. Well, indeed. You

1436
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:40,000
know, I always said he was a strange sort of fellow.

1437
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:45,000
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